Thursday, October 6, 2011

Big shoot on Monday!

The big day is quickly approaching!  I'll be picking up Kat St. James at the airport on Sunday night so she'll be here for the video shoot on Monday.  My nerves are definitely kicking in.  This past week has been pretty busy for me as I had to fill-in as receptionist at my step-dad's business, which took away from alot of my last minute preparation time.  I've had some upper & middle back pain which left me trying to do various things to relieve it but finally it seems to be getting better.  So now I'm kicking it in high gear to do some tidying up in the rooms that we'll be shooting in.

I think I'm actually growing to really like the production/directing side of the videos, maybe even more than simply being in them.  This is the 2nd custom video that I will have done and I hope to have the opportunity to do many more in the future.

This film will be called, "The Younger Step-Mother", and the basic scenario is that Kat is the 20 year old Step-Mother and I her 28 year old step-daughter who is very immature for my age and highly lacks respect for my much younger step-mother.

The client wrote the script, and one other thing that is included is the premise of getting in trouble for leaving skid marks in the panties.  There won't be anything shown, just verbal references and the act of Kat "inspecting my panties".  This particular item is not in my headspace and not my style at all.  But I am wanting to hear from my fans about what you would like to see.  I will be making this film available for purchase, but my plan is to edit out the parts that reference skid-marked panties because of my personal preference.  I'm interested in hearing what you think on this.

Fans:  Please comment on your preference.  Leave skid mark references in the film or edit all the skid mark references out of the film that I make available to the public?

Wednesday, September 21, 2011

Directed Self-Spankings

Plain old self-spankings don't do anything for me.  Doesn't get into my headspace, and I can't hit myself very hard.  In one word:  Pointless.

So when my Daddy (long distance disciplinarian at the time) approached me back when about doing webcam, directed self-spankings as a form of discipline, I was extremely cynical.  I didn't refuse, didn't safeword, but I told him, "It's not gonna work, but I'll try it".  We tried it, and I was pleasantly surprised.

We used Yahoo IM when we first started doing this a couple years ago, now Skype works best for us.  Basically since he lives in NYC and I in Kansas, we needed a viable punishment option to use when we're apart.  I don't remember the specifics of the first time we did this, but I'll give a general overview of how it works for us:

I pull the console table from behind the love seat to the side so that when my laptop is sitting on it the arm of the love seat is in full view since this is where I will bend over while I'm administering my own spanking.  I've been instructed to have all my implements out and nearby so they are ready for use.  I'm expected to have all of this set up before the time of our 'meeting'.  The agreed upon time arrives and we meet up online with our webcams.  I sit down in front of the webcam while my Daddy talks to me about why I'm getting this spanking and scolding me for being bad and misbehaving.  He makes me look directly into the camera so that he's sure he has my full attention.

When it is time for the spanking to begin, he instructs me to stand up and bend over the couch.  He tells me that I had better spank myself as hard as I can or else we'll start all over again and it will be longer and with more implements.  He normally has me begin over my pajama bottoms with my hand, and when he's ready he has me lower my bottoms and spanking over my panties.  He is scolding and directing me all the while, such as "spank harder, get some on the thighs, faster".  Next my panties have to be lowered and I continue to spank myself on my bare bottom as he now gets to watch my bottom turn from pink to red.  This is when he tells me to use some of the implements that I've placed nearby on the dining room table.  It starts to really get difficult here because now it really hurts.  It takes submission to a whole new level when you are required to submit to spanking your own self as hard as you possibly can.  If I was to refuse, stop, or spank too lightly, I would get in even more trouble.  Also, the threat is there that if I don't do it right alone in Kansas, that the next time I'm in New York he will make me self-spank in person AND give me a spanking himself!

Once I've made it through the implements, I'm sent to stand in the corner with some more 'talking-to' to make sure I've learned my lesson.  The way my house is arranged, the laptop can also catch me in the corner from where it was placed for the spanking.  So he can ensure that I'm standing still, with my arms at my side, and not fidgeting.

Below is a video preview clip of an actual self-spanking session with my Daddy that took place in August 2010, while I was in Los Angeles (filming for Exclusive Education 5) and he was at his home in New York.  I had continued to use what he deems as "Unladylike" language, and he was ready to put a stop to it, so I was told to be ready to be punished that evening when he called.  He did not know that I was recording it at the time, but I told him after the fact, and he gave me his permission to post the video (after he'd seen it first).  If you're interested, the full 9 minutes can be found on my website.

What do I get out of it?  Even though he is not there in person giving me the spanking, the mental & emotional aspects of it are still there since he is scolding me and telling me what to do.  The spanking does not stop until he's satisfied that I've been thoroughly punished for my behavior.  Also, the extreme submission that is required in order to inflict pain on my own self, knowing that it has to be done...or else.

Goes to show that you should try everything at least once because you'll never really know, you just may find that you like it after all.  I sure didn't think I'd get anything out of it, but I was wrong.  You can't lose anything for trying, but you can open yourself up for the possibility of gaining something good.

Sunday, September 18, 2011

Littles and Baby Pride symbol

I ran across this tonight while poking around on the internet (when I should be busy doing other things I might add).  Like the Leather Pride symbol or Gay Pride symbol for examples, this Littles and Baby Pride symbol is a way to show your support of and involvement with the Littles (Ageplay) community.
Ageplayers -- also known as littles -- are probably one of the least understood subcultures in the world of BDSM.  It's also a vastly growing section of the community.  There are all sorts of people who practice ageplay:

 * Adult babies and diaper lovers
 * "Kidz" who roleplay being school-age or teenage.
 * Sissies, who are "boys" who like to be feminized and made to feel young as a form of power exchange
 * Babyfurs, members of the Furry Fandom who are also AB's or DL's
 * And the many different kinds of "grownups" who love them - Mommies, Daddies, Aunties, Uncles, Nannies, & Sitters are just a few
(All the above is taken from, which is where the public domain symbol artwork can be found as well)
I fit into the "Kidz" category, because when I am functioning as a Little I am a school-age girl around 6 or 7.  My Daddy falls into the "grown-ups" or "Bigs" category.  I keep learning all the time about the vast resources, groups, and events for ageplayers.  I used to think my Daddy and I were somewhat alone in our kink, but that is definitely not the case.  There was even a short time period that he and I hid our involvement in ageplay from others for fear of being judged.  I'm glad that we are "out of the closet", even though it has meant that we've encountered a little flack and judgementalism about what we are into.  However the vast majority of people have either been supportive of our interest, inquisitive and willing to learn, or just kept their negative views to themselves.  We are starting to discover that there are a good number of Ageplayers even among the spanking community.

Thursday, September 15, 2011

Fantasy reignited

So a couple weeks ago, I ran into the pastor of the church I used to attend.  The husband of the lady who threatened to spank me when I was a rather sassy and rebellious 19 year old .  His wife wasn't with him though, but nevertheless my mind went to that fantasy that I've had of her taking me into her office, putting me over her knee, and giving me a sound spanking for my attitude.

From the video "Church Discipline"
Sarah Gregory and I did a video awhile back in which we played out the fantasy I had, except Sarah took on my role and I played the part of the pastor's wife.  Having the opportunity to act out a fantasy of mine was very liberating, even if it was sort of a role reversal.  This video will probably always remain among my favorite videos to have made because of the special connection that I have to the scenario.

"Church Discipline"
Sarah did a wonderful job of portraying "me" in the video because her attitude came out very similar to the way mine did back when.  Then towards the end of the spanking she cried real tears, not from the pain but from the emotional aspects of the spanking and primarily the love that was shown.  I remember always craving the love and affection from my pastors, in addition to the discipline.  Well after all, discipline IS a show of love & affection, maybe just not the type of affection that we want.  It is referred to as "tough love".

Although the pastor's wife was the primary focus of my fantasy (I mean after all she threatened it!), it still encompassed the pastor as well.  I have a strong propensity for wanting a Mother & Father figure to discipline me and care for me.  I've frequently fantasized of him telling me to bend over a bed and paddling me.

They frequently talked about child rearing in the sermons, with the whole spare the rod hate the child thing.  I always bought the audio tape of sermons where any sort of correction and discipline was mentioned and I would go listen to those parts of them over and over again.  In fact I still have alot of those cassette tapes to this day.

There was even one sermon where I got publicly corrected.  I wasn't paying attention, was doodling on my notepad, and just generally trying to get negative attention (I liked doing those sorts of things, because it usually meant that I would get scolded in some fashion).  All of a sudden, there was a sharp 'thump' on my leg, which startled me.  I looked up to see the pastor standing there, with the microphone in his hand, and then he said, "If I were you I would be paying attention!".  Right there in front of everybody.  Oh my gosh I was soooo embarrassed, but yet in a weird way fulfilled at the same time.  All I could do was look down and cry, throughout the rest of the sermon.  I was like 'finger spanked' on my leg by the pastor.  AND scolded.  I was kind of in heaven for months after that...replaying it over in my head, re-reading my journal entry where I recounted all the minut details, and of course fantasized about him actually spanking me after church.  

The temptation is definitely strong to approach her and confess my involvement in spanking and ask her if she would follow through with that threat.  That would be soooo amazing if she actually did!  In my mind I've pictured myself asking her, and her taking my hand in her's and leading me off to correct me.  I wonder if it could ever be a reality?

Funny how just a chance meeting and a very short conversation with the pastor had the power to ignite such a strong craving in me for this fantasy to be fulfilled.  It was the first time that I've seen either of them since I became involved in the spanking community over 3 years ago, so I guess it makes sense how it could have that strong of an effect.  Who knows, maybe some day.  I certainly wouldn't be opposed to telling them what I do today, although I'd be REALLY nervous.  But I've evolved so much in this that I'm comfortable in who I am and know it is just a part of me.  I'm not ashamed of it but at the same time I realize that it is not universally accepted by a long stretch.

Wow this has been quite the late night (early morning) rambling.  Time for bed now!  Nitey nite.

Sunday, September 11, 2011

Coming back to NYC Sept. 21st - 30th

After what has seemed like months, I will be back in NYC in less than 2 weeks!  The job hunt is basically at a standstill - It is just extremely difficult for even qualified people to find a job in today's economy, so I advertised for video shoots and Kelly Payne took me up on it.  I will be shooting for her site on the 23rd and possibly the 28th also, so the rest of the time I am open for other bookings and sessions.

If you'd like to book me for a video and/or photo shoot please contact me.  I am of course available for spanking shoots, but am also beginning to branch out into other fetishes such as bondage and feet.

Now is the time to book a NYC session because I'm currently running a special of $50 off my normal rate, so book early before spots fill up.  The tough economy is rough on us all, so I am doing this discount in an effort to make the sessions more affordable.  Session application

I'm super happy to get to see my Daddy.  I stay with him anytime that I'm in NYC and it has just been way to long.  I've been experiencing a major drought in spanking which should very soon be relieved.  :)

Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Episode #2 of Mister Spankman's Neighborhood: Clean Up Your Act!

The next recent video series that I've added to my online store is "Clean Up Your Act", episode #2 of the Mister Spankman's Neighborhood series featuring myself in the bottoming role (primarily) and Rich Spankman as the Top, with a little switch action going on.

I did 2 preview clips on SpankingTube for this video.  The one above is the 'normal' preview that most people perusing SpankingTube like to see - just spanking.  The following preview I did just as a special treat to show a little of the fun side of the video.  It includes the full intro where I remade the Mister Roger-esque theme where he changes his sweater & shoes, and then a small piece of the fun dream sequence that is in the video.  The above was rated 4 stars, the one below a measly 2 1/2...Ah well, I suppose not very many people appreciate creativity and a sense of humor  :(.  Regardless, the second preview is a bonus and there if you'd like to watch it.

I'm going to tell something embarrassing on myself here and admit that there is a sliver of truth behind this video.  Nobody wants to admit these types of things about themselves for fear of what people may think of them.  I've been self-employed for over a year now and quite often I am working out of my home with no reason to leave the house for days at a time.  If I don't have any plans for the day that include leaving the house I have been known to stay in my pajamas and not shower all day long.  I mean, what's the point, eh?  Pj's are sooo comfortable!  I also struggle with keeping up on my house chores & cleaning, even though I'm home most of the time it is just not fun to clean and it's hard to get motivated to do it.  Since these are issues that I have myself, and I know there are others out there that experience these things, I thought it would be a good topic to address in a video.

In the second episode of Mister Spankman's Neighborhood, Mister Spankman catches Alicia's dog running loose in the neighborhood and brings him back to Alicia's house.  When he arrives, he sees that her house is a mess and it appears that she hasn't showered in awhile.  Alicia is not taking care of herself and needs to be dealt with.

Part 1 - Mister Spankman lectures Alicia about her responsibilities to herself.  While Mister Spankman speaks, Alicia spaces out and dreams of taking him over HER knee for a change.  You will see Alicia spanking Mister Spankman over his pants with a bathbrush, and Mister Spankman spanking Alicia over her pants and then on her white cotton panties with his hand.  This is a great "switch" video to watch!

Part 2 - Alicia's white cotton panties are lowered and the spanking continues on her bare bottom.  Finally she is sent to clean herself up and take a shower, after which she has to report back to Rich for the second part of her spanking.  Alicia is now attired in a bathrobe and wet hair as she receives the culmination of her spanking from Mister Spankman.  All spanking is done with the hand.

No, the shower is NOT shown on camera...Sorry folks!

Friday, September 2, 2011

Salt Abuse with newcomer MJ

I've got a couple new video clip series up on my website that I've yet to blog about.  I'll start with Salt Abuse, which features myself and MJ, who is a newcomer to the video scene.  The following is a short preview clip.  The entire series can be purchased from my website,

Salt Abuse is a 5 part clip series.  It was a real-life discipline taking place between MJ and his "Auntie" due to him continually violating his salt intake.  This is the third time that he's been punished so Ms. Panettiere has to make it pretty severe, so implements include: hand, hairbrush, leather strap, slotted wooden spoon, belt, and bath brush. Additionally, he's made to write lines and stand in the corner.  MJ was a trooper and took a very hard spanking, and Alicia Panettiere's caring heart shines through in this video series.

I met MJ in November when I flew to Phoenix Arizona for Miss Chris' Sun Valley Spankos party.  He is very good friends with Miss Chris & Jenni Mack, and so the two of them introduced me to MJ.  He and I seemed to 'click' right away and became good friends as well.  It seemed to naturally flow into where I would take on the "Auntie" role with him anytime that I would spank him.  I suppose it is not really a role as in roleplay, but it is more inline with what a D/s relationship is, which is the best way that I know how to explain it.  I care about him and want the best things in life for him all the time and when I'm relating to him be it through a phone call, email, spending time together in-person, or spanking him, I am his Auntie the majority of the time.  He doesn't always call me Auntie but he certainly does if he's being scolded or spanked for a misbehavior.

MJ had expressed a desire some time ago to be in a spanking video, but with him in Florida and me in Kansas it was pretty difficult to make it happen right away.  Finally when I was out in Florida in June we made it happen.  I brought my equipment along and we talked to try and come up with a scenario idea for a good video.  The day we planned to shoot, he confessed to me about his disobedience with salt intake and I had to think no more for a scenario.  We no longer needed a scenario with this real-life situation that needed to be addressed.

I sat MJ down at the beginning and we had a long talk about what his rules are regarding eating salt, what had happened in the past when he'd broken those rules, what was getting ready to happen now, and why it was so important for him to obey the rules he'd been given to govern his salt intake.  He was made to write lines which he tells me he's never had to do before, and then the spanking began.

MJ was given a very harsh punishment spanking because this was his 3rd offense.  This was actually my first time of personally dealing with him on the topic, but I consider him to be a good friend and I do not want to see him doing things to his body that are not healthy.  None of us want to see someone we love engaging in behaviors that are harmful to themselves.

He cried quite a bit while the spanking was happening and was very remorseful.  Once it was over he was made to stand in the corner with his bottom on display for 20 minutes.  The corner time was hard for him to endure, but just like the spanking, he made it through.  After it was all done and over with we cuddled.  

Sunday, August 28, 2011

What I've been up to

Been awhile since I've posted anything.  Heck, been awhile since I've been to any events either.  So what the heck have I been up to lately?

This is probably the longest stint that I've been at home in the 3 or 4 years that I've been involved in the spanking community.  The reason being simply that I haven't been able to justify the expense of traveling.  Sometimes it is the belief that spanking models and pro-disciplinarians are rolling in the dough and make enough money to cover the cost of their trips and then some, but that is not always the case.  Some people have asked whether I'd be attending upcoming events like Shadow Lane and although I'd like to be there, finances are tight right now.  I've missed other events that I would have liked to be at (Crimson Moon and Florida Moonshine), but I've had to simply make the wise decision to stick around home and not spend.  I don't write this to be all "whoa-is-me", but I wanted to explain why you haven't been seeing me around and probably won't for awhile until I start to get back on my feet again.

I am looking for full-time employment once again.  This year or so that I've had to dedicate to the spanking scene, videos, and pro-sessions has been fantastic and I've loved every minute of it.  But the time has come to head back to vanilla life a bit.  The economy is definitely affecting many people, who in turn don't have as much (if any) discretionary income, which in turn affects me.  Hunting for a job is a full-time job in and of itself, and that is where my time and energy have needed to be directed to as of late, and rightfully so.

I'm working on redesigning a fetish website for a client, that should be live soon.  Once it's launched I will let ya'll know so you can check it out as it will have some great items for sell including spanking & BDSM, so stay tuned for that.

I'm in the pre-production phase of a full length custom spanking video that will feature myself as the bottom and Katherine St. James as the Top.  I'm looking forward to shooting this one and making it available for you in the future.  Filming is tentatively scheduled for October, more to come later.

Kansas has been very good when it comes to weather.  All you folks on the East coast have been in my thoughts with the earthquake and now hurricane that you're undergoing.  I'm hoping that you and your loved ones make it through safely.  

Monday, April 4, 2011

I'm a web designing fool!

Sooooo, designing the KC Spanks Club website a couple weeks ago put me in the mood to redesign my own website.  I suppose I like being creative and for me web design is kinda fun.  I was getting bored with my website and I also wanted to make it look more professional & "clean", so here is what I came up with.  I'd love to hear what you think!

Thursday, March 17, 2011

New website for the KC Spanks Club!

I just finished designing the brand new website for the KC Spanks Club!  This group has been around for somewhere between 1 or 2 years now, and caters to spankos in the Missouri & Kansas area (though people from other areas are welcome too).  Rich Spankman is the owner of the group and I've been working with him to find out what his vision was for the website.

Rich wanted a site that was pretty basic and informational, so that's what I created.  Check out my actual hand on the "Home" menu button.  Up until now, the club has had a Yahoo! group, which will continue to be used to share information, make announcements, and for general banter with club members.  But Rich and I both are excited to present the website as the group's main source of club & event info, as well as an avenue to get the word out even more about this great club!

Sunday, March 6, 2011

Off to NYC on Thursday

It has been a pretty productive weekend for me.  I've worked quite a bit on the KC Spanks Club website that I'm designing and I shot a short video clip for a client of mine.  Trying to get as much stuff done before I head out to NYC on Thursday, which I'm excited about.  I'll be in New York for business & pleasure from March 10th - 21st...I'll see some session clients, possibly do some video work, and spend some good quality time with Mr. Camden.  The Scony party is on Saturday the 12th and then TES Spanking Group @ Paddles on the 19th, both of which I am planning to attend.  I have stayed trapped in Kansas for way too long and it's time to get out for awhile.  :)

I still have some availability for private spanking sessions during this trip, and if interested please fill out an application form.

Sunday, February 13, 2011


Me and Rapunzel in our matching pjs
When I began involvement in the spanking community over two years ago, I started to realize that when I got spanked I didn't really feel like my adult self but seemed to regress in age.  Usually I tried to hold this inside and not let my spanker know that I was feeling younger because it was a bit embarrassing to me.  Over time though, the Tops that spanked me realized that I seemed to go younger than my current age during a scene, so even though I tried to hide it, it became evident.

I suppose fear of rejection was my reason for attempting to hide my regression.  Heck, I already felt weird that I liked to be spanked, but this feeling younger stuff was completely abnormal in my mind or so I thought at the time.

However, one day I was looking through one of my friends Fetlife 'friends list' and found the profile page of Jenni Mack (JenniDoll on Fetlife).  I quickly became intrigued with her lifestyle being a live-in submissive to Miss Chris (Capercae), and having what she referred to as a 'little' where she'd play with toys and experience time feeling and acting like a little girl around the age of 8-10.  I learned the most about Jenni from reading her blog.

I eventually reached out to Jenni by PM'ing her, introduced myself and asked some questions of her.  She responded and was more than happy to answer my questions, and since that day we've become friends and met in person for the first time at the 2009 Shadow Lane party.  Jenni has really played a huge part in my discovery of the ageplay fetish- I'm glad that she had the courage to write about it in her blog.

Now as I read and explore online forums and discussion groups I see there are many different preferences and ways of experiencing ageplay, just like there are many forms and types of spanking.  There seems to be two clear different sides of it, sexual and non-sexual, and I like the way the Guardian Island website distinguishes between the two:  one section of the website being the GI Snuggery for those who need a totally non-sexual atmosphere, and the GI Kittery which is devoted to sexual adult ageplay.

For me, ageplay is totally non-sexual.  It is a chance for me to re-experience childhood and get things from my play partner that I missed out on when I was growing up, such as discipline, parental affection, affirmation, and nurturing.  It is a healing experience for me and also at times an escape from the adult world.  Sometimes when I get sad or upset about the cares of my adult life, I will allow myself some time to play with my little girl toys and it works as sort of a de-stressor. 

When I'm functioning in my little girl headspace, I seem to act around 8-ish I guess, though it is difficult to assign a definite age to it.  I like to color, play with legos, My Little Ponies, dolls, and watch kids' movies.  My very very favorite movie is Disney's "Tangled"- I saw it in the movie theaters twice already and can't wait to get it when it comes out on DVD March 29th.  I like to be held, hugged, have my hair brushed, and to snuggle.  I also like to tease, but that almost always gets me in trouble and I get spanked.  :)

I like to dress the part as much as I can.  I typically will put my hair in pig tails or two braids, and I currently have some pjs that work well such as the ones pictured above and I also have some footed pjs with a drop seat.  It is been difficult for me to find daytime clothes and dresses suitable for this because they either aren't big enough for me or aren't "little girl looking" enough.  I've noticed that alot of childrens' clothes these days are made to emulate adult clothes...whatever happened to the frilly, cutesy girls clothes of years ago.  I found a website that sells adult sissy & ageplay clothes that are custom made to fit your particular size and they are reasonably priced, so I ordered two dresses and can't wait to get them.  For anyone interested, the website is:

The relationship dynamics that I like best with ageplay are Father/daughter & Mother/daughter but I also have an interest in Teacher/student.  I do like to do spanking scenes that are ageplay, but even more I like to experience it 24/7 where spanking is just one aspect of it.  I like to be able to do ageplay even outside of a short spanking scene and have been lucky to find a couple play partners who also enjoy the non-sexual ageplay as much as I do.

Ageplay combines really well with spanking and these two fetishes of mine complement each other very well.  Making this self discovery also is making it easier for me to understand why I can enjoy both Topping and bottoming in the spanking scene.  I can now identify that when I am functioning as my adult self I will Top.  But when I bottom I am only functioning in the age regression or ageplay headspace.  I suppose this is why I am not able to bottom to a whole lot of different people in my personal life because I like to make sure that they are comfortable with me regressing in age.  My potential play partners have been limited because there seems to be a smaller sect of spankos that enjoy and are comfortable with ageplay.  It takes a special level of trust.

Tuesday, February 8, 2011

I've been hiding

I feel like I'm sorta following in the steps of Sophie Gray with this posting.  I've been taking a break from blogging and shooting for awhile and like Sophie, am now trying to get back into the swing of things.  After coming home from my trip to NYC & Los Angeles the first half of January, I began a job search and subsequently acquired outside employment.  I've been back to the grind now for a little over 3 weeks and it's been quite an adjustment period, but I seem to be settling into my new schedule now.

Over the past several months I've been discovering that I have another major kink in addition to spanking, and that is Ageplay.  I suppose I've been somewhat debating with myself whether to bring ageplay topics into my blog or not, but I think I will because I'm learning that it is such a big part of who I am.  So you will be seeing some ageplay themed topics and experiences in my blogging future.  There are so many different aspects to this kink and people experience it in so many different ways, so in the near future I will do an entry on what it means to me, what age I seem to settle into, and other tidbits.

To the right is a pic of me in my new St. Margaret's Academy school jumper that I bought.  I've decided for the April Scony Spanking Weekend in the Mountains, that I'll primarily be bottoming, which is a change from what I've been doing for over a year now.  The reason being is that I've been so focused on the professional side of the spanking kink (Topping & videos), that my bottom side is feeling quite neglected.  So since I feel so "at home" during the Mountain Weekend, it is the perfect time to let the little girl bottom in me out for some nurturing and *cough*discipline*cough*.